Ryan and John devote this episode to exploring Kylo Ren and the possibilities for his character in Episode IX. We look at:

• Who Is Kylo Ren?
  • the complexities of his character
  • abandonment and perceived betrayal as the genesis of his rage
• The Case for Kylo’s Redemption
  • J.J. and Rian’s possible foreshadowing in TFA and TLJ
  • Leia’s role in Kylo’s future
  • His importance to the Skywalker Saga
• The Case Against Redemption
  • Kylo’s choice to refuse redemption in TLJ
  • J.J.’s 2016 comments that “deep down he’s gone too far”
  • The weight of Kylo’s previous atrocities
  • The fact that Episode IX being the end of the Skywalker saga suggests it might also be the end of Skywalkers in general

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